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Unconditional Election: People Still Go To Hell Before They Sinned

Whether one holds to singular predestination or double predestination, the results are the same: people go to hell first because they were not chosen.  Whether God is active in this rejection or not is beside the point.  Some Calvinists such as John MacArthur argue that God merely passes over the non-elect and leaves them in their sins so that they perish.  John Piper agrees and even states that God is glorified in this.  Some Calvinists such as John Gill are consistent and acknowledge that God is not only active in choosing His elect but He is active in the reprobation of the non-elect.

Either way, unconditional election holds that people still go to hell because of God’s sovereign choice even before time began.  This means that the sinner who died in 2012 went to hell because God willed it so.  Yes they went to hell for their sins but the first action was that God did not choose them.

The Arminian view is that sinners go to hell because of their own sins.  Calvinists would agree but Calvinism adds that God did not sovereignly choose to save that sinner.  He either passed over them (MacArthur) or He was active in their damnation (Gill).  Either way, because God chose not to save the sinner, the sinner goes to hell.  In this case, the sinner was passed over before time began or even if we grant that they were passed over after the fall of Adam (Romans 5:12). Either way, the sinner was passed over by God’s sovereignty and they do go to hell for their sins but there was also nothing to atone for their sins in the first place.  The sinner was doomed when they were conceived in the womb.

The beauty of the gospel is that Christ died to redeem all humanity (John 3:16).  All who will can come and drink and be saved (John 7:37-39; Revelation 22:17).  Jesus shed His blood for all people (1 John 2:2) and He is the Savior of the world (John 4:42; 1 John 4:14).  Jesus’ coming was good news for the whole world (Luke 2:10-11).  He came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10).  Jesus came to give His life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45; Romans 5:15).  He is the Savior of all men especially of believers (1 Timothy 4:10).  The sinner who sins shall die for their own sins (Ezekiel 18:4).  The Lord’s will is for all people to repent (Ezekiel 18:32; Acts 17:30-31; 2 Peter 3:9).  Jesus even shed His blood for those who die in their sins (1 Corinthians 8:11; 2 Peter 2:1-3) but their unwillingness to repent leads to their destruction (Romans 6:23).

My Advice for 2014 For Arminians and Calvinists

Each year we all start out with fresh ideas for the new year (or at least I suppose we do).  I typically wrestle with what Bible reading plan am I going to use in the upcoming year.  Will I stick to my old one year Bible or will I develop my own reading habit or will I turn to a Bible reading plan?  All of this is in my mind as the new year dawns.  I don’t make resolutions because I have found that I simply am not good at keeping them.  Most of us aren’t.  Our sinful nature is such that we are lazy, often become easily focused on other things, and we are self-centered.

However, as I was thinking today about Arminianism and 2014, I begin to wonder how many Arminians will take the time in 2014 to read a Calvinist theologian writing on Calvinism and likewise how many Calvinists will take time to read an Arminian theologian writing on Arminianism?  Too often I find it comfortable to read a book on Calvinism written by an Arminian and I am sure Calvinists enjoy reading a Calvinist theologian writing against Arminianism.  It is comfortable, easy, and enjoyable to read from our own theologians.

So my challenge to you this year is to read someone you don’t agree with.  Read a Calvinist writing on Calvinism.  For my Calvinist friends, read an Arminian such as Roger Olson, Vic Reasoner, Robert Picirilli, or Leroy Forlines on Arminianism.  We often will say things about what Calvinists believe or what Arminians believe when in fact we have not even taken the time to read their works.  How many Arminians have read Calvin?  How many Calvinists have read Arminius?

Make it a simple goal this year to read a book by a theologian from another camp about their own theology.  I am planning on reading John Piper’s book, Five Pointswhich is a short work on the five points of Calvinism.  I plan to read it without comment on my blog.  I am not reading Piper to generate another blog post against Calvinism.  I simply want to understand the Calvinist viewpoint.

I pray my Calvinist brothers and sisters will do the same toward us Arminians.  And most of all, I pray that in 2014 God will be glorified among us all.  Jesus alone is worthy to be praised and exalted and may we spend much time doing just that in a world full of darkness and sin.

Written by The Seeking Disciple

01/01/2014 at 9:25 PM

Romans 9: The Debate Begins

Romans 9 has been a tipping point for many Calvinists.  I know of two Calvinists who both were once Arminians.  In fact, one was an Arminian evangelist who preached against Calvinism for many years.  Both, however, are now converted Calvinists.  Both speak of becoming a Calvinist as if they are just now born again.  Both speak of God opening their eyes to the doctrines of grace.  One of these men says that he was converted because of the doctrine of total depravity for if mankind is indeed sinful then only God can rescue us in our sins and deadness.  The other was converted after reading and then re-reading Romans 9.  He said that he could not escape from the issue of God’s absolute sovereignty in salvation and election in Romans 9.  Like R.C. Sproul before him, he surrendered his head but not his heart but today he too is a full-blown five point Calvinist.  Both men now claim to be Reformed Baptists (and both are charismatics).

Romans 9 is a bed rock chapter for Calvinism.  As I have written before, I know of some Calvinists who read Romans 9 on a regular basis because it gives them strength to see Calvinism in the Bible.  To Calvinists, Romans 9 is a powerful chapter that demonstrates Calvinism.  Yes they will argue that from Genesis to Revelation, election is seen in the Bible but if you ask for specific verses about election, Romans 9 is one of the hallmark texts.

Arminians must answer this challenge.  It is, of course, foolish to suppose that Arminians do not have an exegetical reason for rejecting Calvinism.  I reject Calvinism not because I “hate the sovereignty of God” nor “to exalt free will as my idol” but rather I reject Calvinism because I see it rejected in Scripture.

John Piper sees Romans 9 as teaching God’s unconditional election.  He penned a book entitled, The Justification of God, in which Piper argues that the point of Romans 9:1-23 (he shouldn’t have stopped with verse 23 because his book might not have been penned) is that God is just in His divine choosing in election.  Piper argues that unconditional election of people to salvation is clearly the theme of Romans 9:1-23.  Had Piper completed his exegesis down to Romans 9:30-33 he would have to admit that the point is clearly God’s choosing of national Israel and a remnant of grace that has accepted His gospel by grace.

Ironically, Martyn Lloyd-Jones wrote,

“for anyone to exalt predestination as the main theme in this section is almost to be guilty of blasphemy.”

Dr. Jack Cottrell, in his excellent book on Romans, states that Romans 9-11 has seven major themes attached to it.  This is what makes our job difficult with regard to an exegesis of Romans 9.  These seven themes, according to Cottrell, are:

a) The Nation of Israel. From beginning to end this section is dominated by references to ethnic or physical Israel, the Jews as a nation, those whom Paul calls “my brothers, those of my own race, the people of Israel” (9:3-4). Paul makes several points about their role in God’s plan (9:4-5,22-23; 11:11-15,25-32), their historical destiny (11:1,11-15,25-32), and their salvation (9:30–10:3; 10:16-21; 11:7-32).

b) God’s Faithfulness. Another subject introduced near the beginning of this section is the faithfulness of God, specifically, whether God has been faithful to his word concerning his people Israel (9:6a). Has he kept his promises to them? Has he been and is he being fair in his dealings with them? “Is God unjust?” (9:14). See also 9:19; 11:29.

c) The Remnant. Another key subject is the distinction between Israel as a whole and remnant Israel: “For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel” (9:6b). Membership in the former is determined by physical birth, but the latter is defined in spiritual terms as determined by God. See 9:23-29; 11:2-7. A key idea is stated in 9:27: “Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.” This is the “remnant chosen by grace” (11:5).

d) God’s Sovereignty in Election. “God’s purpose in election” is another important theme (9:11), especially his sovereignty in making the choices that he does. “For who resists his will?” (9:19). He has the same sort of sovereign authority that a potter has over his clay (9:21). See also 9:15-23; 11:5-10,28-29.

e) The Gentiles. Paul also raises the question of the relation between the Jews and the Gentiles. God’s elect, he says, are drawn “not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles” (9:24). See 9:24-31. How the two are related dominates chapter 11 (vv. 11-32).

f) Law and Grace. We are not surprised that the main subject in chs. 1–8, law and grace, comes to the surface again in 9:30-31 as the key to the question of why God saves some and rejects others. A major part of ch. 10 (vv. 3-17) is the point that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by law or works of law. See also 11:6,20,23.

g) The Church. A final theme, discussed in 11:17-24, is the church. Though the word “church” itself is not used, this is clearly the point. The specific issue in this section is the relation between the church and Israel.

Romans 9 is not to be lifted up out of the context of the book of Romans.  The key verse for Romans is found in 1:16-17 where Paul writes,

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

The righteous shall live by faith.  Paul defends this view throughout the book of Romans by showing that our salvation is by grace through faith.  Paul contrasts salvation by works with salvation by faith in Romans 4.  He shows us that we are justified before God by faith (Romans 5:1).  This salvation produces sanctification by the indwelling Holy Spirit (Romans 5:5; 8:1-4).  As we live by the Spirit, the Spirit helps us toward glorification (Romans 8:29-30).  As we abide in Christ through faith, we have the assurance of our salvation and our entire sanctification (Romans 8:37-39).  Paul now turns to the issue of the Jews since he knows that the Jews will argue that they are saved by being a Jew.  This had been an issue even with John the Baptist (Matthew 3:7-10) and with the Lord Jesus (John 8:31-47).  The Jews believed themselves to be the special people of God which they were as Paul the Apostle shows in Romans 9:1-5 (though Piper struggles to show that salvation is included in these promises and blessings).  The Jews were indeed the chosen people of God (Genesis 25:22-23; Deuteronomy 7:6) but this does not mean that all the Jews were saved by virtue of being Jewish.  Paul is going to show that God has the right to choose to save the Gentiles just as He saves the believing Jews based on faith (Romans 3:25-31).  Paul will even prove that God has always had a remnant even among the disobedient Jews (Romans 11:1-5).  Paul will argue that it is indeed God’s sovereignty that allows Him to do this but it is not based on the hidden mystery of Calvinistic election but upon the grace of God in salvation that is free to all, both Jews and Gentiles.

Cottrell then makes an excellent case in his commentary on Romans that the main purpose of Romans 9 is the faithfulness of God.  This will be the theme I will take up next, to show that God is faithful to His promises despite the unbelief of many of the Jews.

John Piper: Make Whitefield and Spurgeon Your Models For Ministry

I have been reading the excellent book, Killing Calvinism, in which the author states from John Piper that the Calvinist should make George Whitefield and Charles Spurgeon your examples for Calvinistic ministries and not John Calvin.  Piper said that the reason for this is that Whitefield and Spurgeon were known for soul winning but Calvin was not.  A great point.  I will have a review coming of this book soon.

I do agree.  I love the ministries of Whitefield and Spurgeon.  While I don’t agree fully with their Calvinism and I believe they were not consistent with their Calvinistic theology in regard to preaching the gospel to the lost, I do admire them greatly.  In fact, I named my second born son after Charles Spurgeon.  I named him Haddon Spurgeon.  I would love for my Haddon to be a man of God who also preaches with fire to the lost.  Oh that he would be a great man of prayer!  Oh that my little boy would grow to be a godly disciple of the Lord Jesus!

In my own life, it is men of God such as Whitefield, Spurgeon, Wesley, or Leonard Ravenhill who capture my heart more than any theologian.  I appreciate great theologians and their labors for the kingdom.  I have no doubt that the Church needs great theologians but I love when theology and fire mix together.  Wesley was such a man.  He would ride on his horse and would read from theology books.  Wesley could read in both Greek and Latin.  He would often spend hours reading from various Latin works.  His journals reflect a deep thinker yet they show his heart for the lost.  John Wesley was a deep man of faith, a man of intense prayer.  He and George Whitefield would pray for hours.  They would converse together about their ministries and yes they did debate theology but they loved Christ and loved His kingdom.  Later John Wesley would preach the funeral of his great friend, Whitefield, and if you read his sermon, it is a heart-moving praise of the great saint of God.

Sadly, theologians often are not know for soul winning.  Soul winners are often men of fire but sometimes they are not known for their theology.  I would love to see God raise up both in one.  We need to be soul winners who love the Word of God, who long to see the lost saved but who also love the precious doctrines of Scripture.  We need to do both, set apart Christ as Lord but also to be able to answer all those who question our faith (1 Peter 3:15).  We need to watch both our life and doctrine (1 Timothy 4:16).  Doctrine and life go hand in hand.  We need both the mind of a theologian and a heart of an evangelist.  We need the Holy Spirit to empower us to be witnesses for Christ both in our lives and in our words (Acts 1:8).

John Piper is absolutely correct: make great soul winners your model.  Make Spurgeon, Whitefield, Wesley, and even great saints such as J. Edwin Orr as models of men of God who loved the Word of God and loved souls.  We need to learn, as they did, that we should glorify God with our hearts and with our passions.  God can greatly use this for His glory and I pray that He does.

Written by The Seeking Disciple

05/05/2013 at 11:58 PM

You Can’t Kill John Piper

Here is a great post from William Birch called, “You Can’t Kill John Piper” on the issue of divine determinism.  Great read.  I also recommend his follow up post as well.

Written by The Seeking Disciple

01/30/2013 at 2:49 PM

The God Who Ordains Evil

Dr. Roger Olson does a good job in this post by showing the fallacies of some Calvinists when trying to explain evil and how this relates to the sovereignty of God.  Men such as John Piper simply acknowledge that evil comes from God and is ordained by Him for His glory (though we know not how at this time).  Olson points out that this view doesn’t glorify the character of God but rather makes Him appear as less than loving and good.  As Olson stated once before, “There is not much difference I see between the God who ordains evil and renders it certain and Satan.  Satan wants to destroy all but God wants to destroy most.”

The problem of evil and suffering is not easy.  I don’t think there are pat answers for this.  Even Scripture doesn’t give us all the insights we would like in regard to human suffering and evil.  Yet I would equally state that I don’t see in Scripture where God ordains evil and renders it certain.  He certainly knows beforehand what will happen but to control evil and to allow evil is not the same as causing evil which Piper does when he teaches that God is so sovereign that everything that happens does happen because He renders it certain and planned all things.  How is He not evil then?  How is He still rendered as good and loving if in fact He plans and renders certain horrible acts like rape, murder, shootings, etc.?  How can the God of John 3:16 or the God of 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 be that God if in fact He causes (whether directly or indirectly) the suffering of people at the hands of vile sinners?

Written by The Seeking Disciple

12/27/2012 at 1:01 PM

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