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Is Jesus His Own Father?

One cannot read the New Testament and see that Jesus is distinct from His Father.  He speaks of His Father, prays to His Father, and says that He has come to do the will of His Father.  Jesus said that His food “is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work” (John 4:34).  Jesus said that He does not nothing by His own initiative but He only spoke the things as His Father taught Him (John 8:28).  Jesus said that He proceeds from the Father to do the Father’s will (John 8:42).

And on and on it goes.  The Lord Jesus is portrayed as the Son of God, equal with the Father (John 10:30) but He is never said to be the Father.  The Father is God.  The Son is God.  The Holy Spirit is God.  Yet the Bible affirms that there is but one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Ephesians 4:4-6).  1 Corinthians 8:6 has stumbled some but John MacArthur writes:

Paul repeats the truth that there is but one God.  He is the one from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.  There is only one true God.  He has come to us in the person of the Son, Jesus Christ, and we are brought to the Father through the divine Son.  Everything comes from the Father, and all believers exist for the Father.  Everything is by the Son, and everyone who comes to the Father comes through the Son.  This is a powerful and clear affirmation of the equality of essence of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 8:6, rather than denying the Lordship and exaltation and deity of Jesus Christ, actually makes Him equal with the Father.

In Hebrews 1:2 tells us that God the Father made the world through the Lord Jesus Christ.  In Hebrews 1:3 it is Jesus who upholds the universe by His Word.  In Hebrews 1:8 the Father says about the Son that He is God.  In Hebrews 1:10 we read that Jesus is Yahweh (see Psalm 102:25-27).

So the question is whether Jesus is His own Father?  The Oneness Pentecostals and other modalists insist that Jesus as the Son is less than the Father and that the Father alone is truly the eternal God.  The Oneness Pentecostals teach that Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son, Jesus is the Holy Ghost.  In Oneness teachings, Jesus is God but He alone is God and God is unipersonal (meaning that there is only one Person in the Godhead; Colossians 2:9).  Trinitarians teach that there is only one God but we believe in three persons (unitarian versus trinitarian).  I reject the Oneness view that Jesus is His own Father.  I find nothing in the Bible to suggest that Jesus is His own Father nor can one find a passage without extreme twisting.

The closest text we have is Isaiah 9:6.  Oneness Pentecostals will quickly quote this verse when defending the idea that the Father is Jesus and Jesus is the Father.  They teach that one of the titles of the Lord Jesus would be “eternal Father.”  Yet Oneness Pentecostals are alone in their unique view of Isaiah 9:6.  The titles found in Isaiah 9:6 are part of who Jesus would be.  He would be like a wonderful counselor.  Jesus would be the mighty God.  Jesus would be like an eternal Father speaking of HIs Fatherly role as our Redeemer, and He would be the Prince of Peace.  These are not offices Jesus would be fulfilling but titles He would take upon Himself.

Consider this: does the New Testament ever say that Jesus is the Father or the Father is Jesus?

The Oneness view destroys so many precious doctrines.  The Person of Jesus suffers.  One has to read the New Testament with a weird “key” of trying to figure out if Jesus is speaking as the Father (as God) or as a man (as the Son).  The sacrifice of Jesus is not infinite in its value because Jesus is just a man who is dying on the cross for our sins rather than God manifested in the flesh (John 1:14).  The nature of true love is lost because the Lord Jesus is but a created being of the Father (who alone is God).  Prayer suffers as we pray to Jesus (the Father, the eternal God) in the name of Jesus (the Son, the flesh but not God) rather than seeing that Jesus is God the Son praying for the saint before the throne of God the Father through the power of God the Spirit.

In closing, let me state that as I write this I am listening to a oneness Pentecostal preacher preaching.  Ironically, he is shouting over and over again that Jesus is God, that Jesus alone is God, and that there is no God but Jesus.  Yet he is borrowing from a trinitarian presupposition by borrowing our language to speak of God.  He speaks of the Father and he preaches about praying in the name of Jesus and worshiping God through Jesus but all of this involves having to “split” Jesus up.  The oneness Pentecostal must borrow from the trinitarian view to make their theology work but they then must hate the Trinity lest they be a trinitarian (which condemns the sinner).  They must speak of Jesus as a unipersonal being with dual personalities (at least while on earth).

I rejoice in the doctrine of the Trinity.  It is a precious doctrine.  The Trinity makes sense of the Bible and helps us to see the infinite value of the atonement of Christ.  Further, the work of sanctification in the disciple is enhanced by understanding that the entire Trinity is involved not just in my salvation but in my sanctification.  I worship God and rejoice that He is wonderful and worthy.

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Written by The Seeking Disciple

09/29/2015 at 7:24 PM

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  1. Hope you keep studying. John 10:30 does make Jesus equal to his Father, he was given authority over the sheep by his Father—and you’ve ignored his responses and rather agreed with his false accusers. John 17 Jesus says the disciples are one with Jesus and the Father *just* *as* they are one.

    1 Cor 8:6 is crystal clear, yet John is twisting it. It is not referring to creation in Genesis. Paul is contrasting the pagans who have multiple gods, yet Christians have ONE God, the Father… and the pagans have multiple “lords,” yet Christians have one lord, Jesus Messiah. Jesus was given this high lordship by his Father upon his ascension as Peter explains in Acts 2 using Psalm 110:1. Make sure to read Jesus’ own explanation of who he is in contrast to the one YHWH, or one God–his Father in Mark 12:28-37. Jesus uses Psalm 110:1 also to show who he is… and he’s not the one YHWH, the God of Israel. The God of Israel is his Father alone.

    Oneness is nuts yes, but trinitarians necessarily create a second god through equivocation of the word “god”(o theos) even though the foundation of the word “o theos” is why Pentecostals do what they do. The word “o theos” in the New Testament alone refers to the Father alone 1,300 times. Let me repeat, 1,300 times. Thirteen hundred times without debate. There are roughly 9 occurrences at most people debate regarding Jesus being accused of or called “god.” That’s less than 1% in comparison The overwhelming foundation is the Father alone is God. And there are clearer verses than even 1 Cor 8:6 if one studies enough and does cross-references like I did.

    Simple fact my friend, Jesus is a [biblical] unitarian. He has a God, and his God is our God.. his God is one, the God of the Sh’ma–the greatest of the commandments of the Law(Mark 12:29). Make sure whatever doctrines you hold to, they do not deny the Messiah and make him into a sinner.

    droptozro

    09/29/2015 at 8:21 PM

    • Was there a time when Jesus was not?

      • Yes, that’s what begotten means… to be born, “genesis.” Otherwise you deny the meaning of the word.

        droptozro

        10/02/2015 at 10:54 PM

      • I’m curious then how your view differs from the Arians view? You obviously reject the pre-existence of the Lord Jesus as the Son and I suppose you reject His pre-existence all together. So how does your view differ from either the Oneness Pentecostal or Jehovah’s Witnesses view?

  2. *edit* “John 10:30 does *not* make Jesus equal…”

    droptozro

    09/29/2015 at 8:21 PM


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